The Importance of Matured Cannabis
#1
Posted 14 May 2014 - 09:34 PM
One of many really good papers on this site, but this should be on everyones reading list
The Importance of Matured Cannabis
It puts some backbone onto the reasons we should mature and cure as well as debunking some of the officially quoted scaremongering statistics often quoted by our journalistic and political 'citizens'
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#2
Posted 14 May 2014 - 09:36 PM
I would like to outline some important considerations in regards to cannabis, the fact that unlike most all other recreational drugs, it is a high order plant which has complexities which are often not properly understood nor respected.
With cocaine, leaves of the Coca plant are basically washed in a solvent extraction process and one gets cocaine hydrochloride salts. With Heroin, Papaver somniferum reaches basic maturity and releases resin from the seed pods, resin is not produced until ripe, then all the resin is the same, refine it and one has heroin. With LSD, precursor LSA is chemically altered to diethylamide from the amide lysergic acid precursor. Synthetic designer drugs are chemical compounds processed to derive certain molecules.
Not much difference in the base to end product except for strength, most all drugs are the same thing, refined or synthetically created.
But psychoactive cannabis is different. It goes through two main stages, vegetative, then flowering, most people know that, but, as a high order plant, it goes through many other stages from seedling to mature plant. In vegetative growth, it is a factory, not only building up the cellulose structure of the plant but in the first few weeks of life it goes through many stages of development into a hormone factory. Various ratios of hormones trigger the later flowering stages when light cycles decrease and dark cycles of the days from spring through summer create a phytochrome build-up. This triggers flowering at around 12/12 light/dark hours give or take an hour or two depending on the strain/hybrid stages when grown outdoors or when switched to a 12 hour photoperiod if under artificial light. From flowering cycle being triggered the plants then begin creating the psychoactive and non psychoactive compounds we know as THCs, the main delta complex and the plant creates significant amounts of terpines which are primarily associated with the distinct smells. These oxidise into terpinoids and together with the THC complex and CBD, create the full personality and effect of the highs or stones of whichever strain or hybrid the plants are, at point of maturity and to the genetic potential of whichever strain/hybrid the plants are.
Basic THC Delta 9.
http://www.answers.c...hydrocannabinol
Tetrahydrocannabivarin or Delta 6/THCv
http://www.answers.c...drocannabivarin
also oxidant, cannabivarin CBV
http://www.answers.c...ic/cannabivarin
Most people just think of THC, mainly delta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol, this is the stimulant THC we are all familiar with. Then there is another main one which over recent years more are becoming aware of, which is delta 6 tetrahydrocannabinol which is the more psychedelic factor found in equatorial and tropical sativa cultivars. THC D6 is found in all psychoactive cannabis but at higher levels in these strains and subsequent hybrids coming from the tropics and those plants whose ancestors come from high altitudes in lower latitudes such as the Hindu Kush and mountainous regions around Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc due to higher exposure to UVB spectrum in equatorial/topical and high altitude areas.
THC D6 oxidises in maturity of the plants to CBV, which like CBD, tends to balance the effects of the THCv.
The plants in vegetative stage, produce little THC D9, or any other psychoactive compound. Terpine levels are also low, it is when the plant factory becomes fully developed and phytochromes trigger the plants into bud production, that THC and terpines start being produced in abundance. CBD is produced later in the bud production cycle, the main flowering period, from shorter flowering indica to longer flowering sativa, the compounds which balance out the stimulant THC D9, which as we know is mainly CBD, but also CBV and a few others in conjunct, only appear later in the plants flowering cycle, as the earlier produced THCs and terpines oxidise to Terpenoids, prior to that, the plant produces mostly THCs and terpines are produced in order to protect the flowers, which are basically progenative ovaries to produce seeds to continue lifecycle of next generations.
Institute of Psychiatry.
In more recent times, there has been some attempt by the prohibitionist propagandists, to create a safer middle ground in their positions, part of this has been articles released by The Institute of Psychiatry regarding skunk, the deadly and evil super cannabis, supposedly.
See this item, one of many showing how this is being used…
http://www.mentalhea...org.uk/cannabis
This is so medicinal cannabis produced by extant pharma corps etc, products like Sativex etc, can be distinguished from this supposedly evil form of cannabis which makes everybody using it mentally deranged psychopaths. Because quite rightly, the ambiguity of these safe forms of cannabis the pharma corps are saying is safe, needs to be explained as to being different from the deadly cannabis recreational users are using and being made mental cases from, so now, there is apparently a clear dividing line. The skunk cannabis that the authorities are so concerned about has no, yes, they said no, asserted no CBD whatsoever, and of course, the medicinal forms all have CBD so it is relatively safe for pharma corps to provide as a medicament.
But the truth is, skunk does have CBD, all psychoactive cannabis plants contain a level of CBD the same as all other compounds found in all plants, just at varying ratios, according to the potentials of whatever genetic template, whichever strain or hybrid is grown. When grown to maturity all cannabis has CBD.
Even the most potent equatorial sativas which are renowned for being high THC/THCv, have a CBD ratio, when grown to maturity.
So too does the supposed deadly evil skunk contain enough CBD, and other oxidised compounds such as CBV, to round off the stimulant effects of THCs, so while what they are stating regards CBD is perfectly true, the attempt to cite skunk as still being a main offender which causes, they do not state triggers but cite causality, is a nonsense, because all psychoactive strains without exception contain CBD and other oxidase stabilisers of THCs and the highs they provide, some lower, some higher CBD, but all do.
In this regard, where they found negligible amounts or no CBD whatsoever in tested skunk plants, for those who understand how cannabis matures will know, it was immature skunk hybrid cannabis, and this brings me to my main points about “The importance of matured cannabis.â€.
And the fact that The Institute of Psychiatry and those expounding their findings regards psychoses and little or no CBD content in cannabis have unwittingly provided a significant argument for a legalised climate so all cannabis meant for recreational and medical use and sale can be regulated and spot checked for maturity so the main consuming public do not use immature cannabis, because we understand CBD comes from the final stages of flowering cycle and CBD content is potentated by the curing process which allows further oxidation of THCs and terpines to terpenoids
Final Stages of Flowering Cannabis Plants and Trichomes.
As many will undoubtedly know, after the main vegetative growth stage and phytochromes trigger flowering and calyx production, from age 2-4 weeks from germination, which collectively are the buds. To protect the calyxes/seed ovaries, the plants produce capitate stalked trichomes…
See picture here…
And it is these which contain the main THC complex and as is generally accepted, presence of the trichomes and THCs are to protect the calyxes from harms from UVB radiation, the more UVB the plants are exposed to during flowering, the more profusely abundant the trichomes become and for the plant, were it to be pollinated and seed bearing, the trichomes act like a radiation shield for the seeds, of course we humans who want to smoke the buds do not require seeded buds, we desire seedless sensimilla bud, but trichomes are produced regardless as calyxes develop and mature.
But until the plant reaches the final weeks of flowering, the main content are the THCs, terpines which are responsible for the increasingly powerful smells of whatever strain/hybrid they are, and have practically no CBD content and the terpines are still mainly smell and haven’t converted to terpenoids.
THC D9 is a potent stimulant and if plants are cropped too early, any cannabis will have little or no CBD and will only provide a very stimulant high, whilst not every cannabis user finds this adverse, many do, it is well known that a lot of novice or infrequent users who use cannabis which is immature, as in, were one to look, the capitate trichomes would be all clear, not all cloudy/milky or with a good ratio of amber coloured trichomes, but clear as crystal, will have a paranoid reaction, become confused, they will have physiological experiences such as heart palpitations and some break out into a sweat from elevated physiologicals, some start to have panic attacks.
The anecdotal evidences for the reactions people have to immature cannabis is all over cannabis community forums, of every country around the globe, especially on the cultivation forums, and that is where legislators need to go and look properly at what many academics involved with cultivation, many very experienced people who understand cannabis and the stages it goes through as a high order plant, so they can stop being guided by those who in comparison, have nothing but a basic and tenuous understanding of cannabis. They seem to think all cannabis is just cannabis, like an opium poppy is an opium poppy, cocaine hydrochloride is coke just as varying strengths but all the same drug, MDA/MDMA/MDEA and variants are just that, LSD is LSD so on so forth, they are all the same drug, but cannabis transitions through stages, where from around 4-5 weeks minimum or longer if vegetative stage is prolonged, leaves and developing buds from single calyxes at meristem internodes to the full bud masses have an increasing THC content, which rises as the number of calyxes increase into bud mass. They expand in size and stature to their full potential, whether pollinated/seeded and it is during the final weeks that early THC production in the trichomes on the leaves and buds increasingly start to oxidise and CBD and other high/stone stabilising oxidase are created.
In the final weeks of growth, in most indica’s and indica dominant hybrids the flowering cycle lasts between 7-9 weeks if indoor cultivation, or as indicated calendar window during the opposite natural photoperiod to the new growth of spring and the plants mature in the early to late autumn as they are influenced in their stages by “photoperiodism†and are long day plants, whose maturity mechanisms are cryptochromic.
http://en.wikipedia..../Photoperiodism
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Cryptochrome
In sativa and sativa dominant hybrids, the flowering cycles can be anything from 7-8 weeks in a few early sativas to 14-26 weeks on some very stimulant and/or psychedelic cultivars and landrace strains.
As is known, the vegetative stage indoor photoperiod mimics spring equinox, into summer solstice at 12/12 light/dark when veg’d enough and wanting to start flowering, and so if people cultivating for sale and wanting to hasten maturity, and actually wanted to bother, plants can easily be fooled into thinking the Autumn equinox is passing, winter solstice is nearing by giving the plants a longer dark period, to the same extents to using the spring photoperiod of 16/08 in the vegetative stage, as opposed to 24/00 vegetation, turning dark period up a couple of hours from 12/12 to a maximum of 08/16 but as much as 10/14 in the last few weeks is enough to hasten ripening by that last 10-14 days and so quicken the ambering, but so too does the grower need to be mindful of overshooting when speeding plants up like that as too amber %90+ is only good for cancer sufferer medication.
So now we have the crux of my pro legalised industry arguments here, which the Institute of Psychiatry and those expounding on, have unwittingly validated.
Because prohibition has led to a distinct lack of common knowledge in the regards I’ve outlined because it’s treated as a taboo subject and that is thus far very much an abstraction to what the entirety is, but main pertinencies are there.
We have as I see it, a few different groupings of those who do not grow cannabis plants to mature, most not curing either, no disrespect meant to any cultivators who endeavour to the, plus/minus %30 amber average.
The first, is commercial cultivators, aka, “cashcroppers†who are entirely focused on cultivating cannabis purely for profit and it is sad that many of these know damn well that there is a point of diminishing returns in the latter stages of development in the cannabis flowering cycle, where plants stop growing, they cease to put any more energy into increasing bud mass, which is weight, which is the saleable product after being dried, so many crop at that point, when the plant is pretty much at maximum weight for whichever commercial strain, they know this is a point when trichomes are mainly clear, depending on strain, clear into milky.
Here’s another picture depicting trichome maturity stages…
As you can see, emphasis is on yield, on the clear trichomes, but that also equates to completely raw THC D9 and totally stimulant with practically no other compounds present to round off the potent stimulant effects, then they state “cloudy†which is as they say the up and heady high, then the ambering, then they say about the mix of cloudy/amber.
But as I say, at the point of diminishing returns, the plants will have pretty much reached their maximum bud mass and weight, with most commercial strains, trichomes will be clear mainly and a small ratio of cloudy, or milky as I prefer to say, and that means fully stimulant, with no oxidase terpenoids or CBD/CBV etc to round off the high, not to mention the full personality and indeed beneficial qualities medicinally speaking, are not present either, the majority of the active compounds derive from latter stages of oxidisation.
It is at that stage, clear mainly, into milky, which makes a large amount of cannabis users feel paranoid and gives them adverse effects, and we all know, that paranoia, is a main psychological component in psychoses.
Raw, un-oxidised THC, acts on the brain receptors, in a similar way to amphetamines and prolonged use of amphetamines does trigger psychosis, especially in conjunction with long periods of sleep deprivation. An effect of raw THC is it will deprive people of proper sleep because it over rev’s the brain and chemicals usually produced by the brain during sleep periods which induce dream state are not produced properly and this leads to the detrimental effects as the cumulative consequences of over stimulating neurochemicals takes hold and the brain essentially snaps and misfires more and more, so a psychotic episode, even if they do get their heads down for a few hours through fatigue, if they use a lot of unripe cannabis with raw THC, they will be unlikely to achieve REM states, and that in regards to potential psychosis, is what matters, waking up again after a brief sleep period without REM may restore some physical energy, but then frequent users of unripe cannabis will drink that coffee etc, have another wake and bake spliff etc, and so the REM deprived person goes on and on day after day until that snap occurs, that, is what can seriously cause a psychotic episode especially when stress factors like troubled relationships, or familial difficulties, money worries, employemnt difficulties, prolonged personality clash dynamics etc and for example, are present and serve as triggers.
And drug induced sleep deprivation psychoses are what mental health agencies have been dealing with or mental conditions very similar to that, with many of those it does also go into other substances they are using but raw THC itself can do it alone, the compounded and detrimental effects when mixing other drugs with cannabis is another issue which I will articulate at a later stage.
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#3
Posted 14 May 2014 - 09:37 PM
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#4
Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:24 PM
LOVE THIS NUFF SAID, ive smoked more of my own gear than anyone else`s in the past year and enjoyed every last crumb in my bowl... reason being... ive seen whats gone into the plant and flushed it properly and let the plant finish up according to the plants life, thanks for this goodbudgie great eye opener xx TCR its a peace of mind, tbh i never had to read this to realize that growing your own stuff and producing the resin and turpin`s is the best way for a healthier and tastier smoke,
DITCH THE DEALER NO GOOD FOR NO ONE!!!!!
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#5
Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:21 PM
And you decide to grow more cuts of that plant for longer, instead of growing different phenos,
then .....that's up to you but I'd switch phenos and then strains.
stuff that's upset my REM sleep has tended to be stuff like power plant, grown commercially.
All my psychedelic stuff seems fine for sleep and mental health.
But it does seem to need low tolerance to really hit properly, ie. a week off it.
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#6
Posted 18 September 2017 - 11:20 PM
Came upon this article on the CLEAR website
One of many really good papers on this site, but this should be on everyones reading list
The Importance of Matured Cannabis
It puts some backbone onto the reasons we should mature and cure as well as debunking some of the officially quoted scaremongering statistics often quoted by our journalistic and political 'citizens'
@Budgie is this true cause @Chew said CBD doesn't come from over mature cannabis though that was CBN now I'm confused this article must be out of date?
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#7
Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:00 AM
@Budgie is this true cause @Chew said CBD doesn't come from over mature cannabis though that was CBN now I'm confused this article must be out of date?
I've not read this article but rest assured, amber triches are definitely CBN which is the THC degrading. If you seek CBD, you need a CBD strain.
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#8
Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:29 PM
I've not read this article but rest assured, amber triches are definitely CBN which is the THC degrading. If you seek CBD, you need a CBD strain.
@Chew believe I've found the answer here
https://www.t-g-c.nl...t-dry-and-cure/
Maximizing CBD
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#9
Posted 20 September 2017 - 09:00 PM
sounds like a few inexperienced smokers had bad reactions to high thc bud, shame they weren't more prepared
I personally seek out high thc euphoric trippy weed to smoke while edibles provide the pain relief and body stone to make it thru another day
some of my smokin buddies wont touch it, gives them the jitters they say.
one mans ceiling is another mans floor and I love me some high ceilings!
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